Yep, we have it, and yeah there seems to be some small interest in the whole $15K Tesla thing.
See also: Accessorizing Tesla ... and ... Camping Tesla. and Tires
Broken news!: Hertz announced in their Q1 earnings statement that they'll be adding another 10,000
2022 and 2023 Teslas to the 10,000 remaining (to be sold) that they plan on selling during the remainder of 2024.. Deals on used Teslas aren't fading out anytime soon.
And as to how it works? Really really well.
Edit later in the week: We delayed the announcement here until we could actually be sure we were going to get full control of it. Recall that it's not just a state title transfer, no, Tesla has to weigh in as well, tying the owner, to the app, to the car, to the Supercharger network (not necessarily in that order) or you can't use all the features on the car. That took way longer than expected. More on that below, but rest assured everything is working now. Our #1 bit of advice; Call Them (Tesla) on the day after you send in all the proof of ownership stuff to make sure everything is OK, in process and not hung up somehow.
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| Grey car on a grey day. At least it's raining. |
This post is about the actual end process/progress. Looking for it (overall) was a previous post The Tesla Conundrum and a follow up on finding this specific car: Cheap Cheap. Tesla for Easter? but there was still interest in how the actual buying process went and how 'on-boarding' it worked out; Integrating/usability at home, and transfer of ownership so Tesla recognizes us at the owners, all that 'reality stuff' that happens after the brave hunter-gatherers return from the hunt. Were they Just Lucky? We'll see.
Those linked posts do have updates, so if you're also in the hunt, look there. Especially the first one.
One thing up front: YMMV is very real. Your Mileage May Vary ... is not just an amusing internet thing.
The odds of you being able to reproduce this pricing structure is/are not high.
Prices in the mirror may be larger than they appear (sorry, couldn't resist. ;-)
How many states have programs that allow lower income folks rebates on used EV's? Very few.
How many folks under that income cap can actually afford the still not insignificant cost of an EV and/or have a place to charge it? Not very many.
How many EV's worth having make it under the Federal Credit for Used EVs. ($4000 for cars under $25K?)
And there's the even smaller number of folks who have enough federal tax liability to qualify for the federal credit
-AND- are low enough to qualify for this state rebate (400% of the federal poverty level)
-AND- just happen to be buying during the very short period when that rebate is/was available (about two months.)
How do you do all that? If you look back through four or five years of posts here you'll find that, in one form or another, this has been in the planning stages for several years. Granted, not everyone is that obsessive, nor should they be, but some of what we've been through/learned is applicable across a broader audience. Absent being that obsessive, or just lucky, you may pay a bit more, $20K comes to mind, but that's still probably not a tragedy. It's a whole lot of good low cost transportation even at that $$ rate.
OK, on to details you might actually care about.
If you buy from Hertz, there's no negotiation process. You buy it or you don't. Price is set by some corporate algorithm with little sense nor local control. Sales-persons are not on commission and while that leads to a low pressure sales environment that many people will love, it also leads to 'sales' folks who were perhaps not the top of their class. We contacted many Hertz locations (8? 9?) and about 2/3rds of them gave off a underpaid/overworked or 'Joe barely cares' vibe.
The other third were pleasant, responsive ...and really far away, or, had no useful (under $25K) stock.
Bonita Springs FL and San Diego CA were the standouts, but if you're from out of state we can't recommend buying in California due to a truly punishing tax regime. Florida will at least exempt you from double taxation (they also had the best cars.) Many of the cars Hertz doesn't want to deal with; excess inventory in area, no room on lot, high miles - etc. get sold to external dealerships like:

We bought from Volkswagen of McMinnville (DBA MacVW.com) and they were pleasant, responsive and fun to deal with. Not that there's much 'dealing' since if you come in with the Internet Price (perhaps a grand below the sticker on the lot) it ain't going much lower. Maybe negotiation would work on the higher priced units. We don't know. Regardless they seem to be moving more Teslas than VWs recently ;-) so you may not have much negotiation leverage. Everyone we met there was first rate, but they'll be the first to admit they don't know all the details about Teslas.
DO spend some time on Youtube or wherever educating yourself about what to look for and what the detail differences between the years/models. The 2021 and 2022 Model 3's will look the same to you but they may have very different battery types and possibly heating systems. If you don't know where the information is hidden (Software, Additional Information) you may not be buying what you thought.
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| A little dinking around in Ye Olde Tesla screen |
Still, it is a 'regular' car dealership and they will try to sell you several thousand dollars worth of extended warranties. Accept or don't. They were nice about it. In our case there's still 25K miles of the factory power-train/battery warranty left and paying an additional 25% of the car's cost for a 3rd party warranty seemed excessive.
Regardless this was better than any dealership car buying experience we've had.
Kudos to Jackson Brockie, Michael Watroba, Nick and Lori. Good job.
Note that as of this writing they, and sister-dealership Armstrong VW of Portland still have 12 Teslas, 6 or 7 below the magic $25K mark. Could be worth a look.
In our case the 'Internet Price' was around $24K, subtract the Federal Used EV Credit (for purchases under $25K) of $4000. After that subtract the $5000 Oregon Clean Vehicle voucher if you qualify (see previous post) and we're at $15K, then add taxes, fees, fees and fees ... and you gots $15,835.71 Not bad at all.
Now on to the slightly more troublesome parts of the process, mentioned at the beginning of the post: Yes we had set up our Tesla accounts ahead of time and even set up a payment method on the account.
The dealer had it nicely charged up and provided a single keycard (which actually worked on the second try) so getting it home turned out to be no problem. Good, because apparently stopping at a Tesla Supercharger wasn't an option. Just because you have an account and go through the process in their app to make the car 'yours' doesn't mean you can actually get that to work, ... for days!
We were kind of expecting this, and came somewhat prepared.
In theory you just go into your Tesla App, Menu, My Products, Add a Product, and add a vehicle. You type in the VIN, answer a couple questions, make sure the vehicle is connected to WiFi (through your phone hotspot if necessary) and the app will pop up a new three digit 'name' for your vehicle and provide instructions on how to change the name on the car's screen. Unfortunately this works maybe half the time, at least for ex-Hertz Teslas
If it's still on the Hertz version of the vehicle software it may not allow you to change the name. Even if the name change can be 'Save'd, then if anyone along the chain didn't properly release the car, it may still error out. We actually found a newer more recent method of failing tied to the particular software version we were running. Tesla support knew about it, but apparently it's very recent. We're Just lucky.
So yeah, Tesla support. We knew about that method by reading forum posts on TMC regarding buying ex-Hertz Teslas. Good thing too. Here's an edited excerpt. Sorry we did not get the original author's name.
See note below*
"Make sure you already have a Tesla account. You don't need to have any cars or anything in your account. Just create an account at Tesla.com first if you don't already have one. Make sure you are connected to WiFi (tap the antenna icon at the top/right corner and connect to your home WiFi). Hertz Teslas do not have premium connectivity, so the car will not have access to cellular data. Anything that Tesla does on their side needs to be received by your car. So your car must be on WiFi to receive that.
1. Call Tesla's support line at 1-888-518-3752.
2. Choose vehicle support.
3. Explain that you bought a used Tesla from Hertz or other 3rd party. You want to transfer ownership of the vehicle from Hertz or other 3rd party to you.
4. The Tesla agent will ask for your Tesla account email, the car's VIN, and other information. They will send you an email requesting some more information, such as the VIN again, email address, home address, phone number, and you will need to attach photos of your driver license and bill of sale/registration/something that shows you own the car. Tip: Take good pictures with your phone. Don't send dark, fuzzy, out of focus pictures. Do it right the first time so you don't have to do it again. Thank the agent.
5. Reply to the email and send all requested info to Tesla. The case number is in the subject line of the email, so don't change anything in the subject line.
6. The agent should receive it right away and start the process.
7. Somewhere between 5 min. and 5 days later you should get an automated email from Tesla saying that a vehicle was added to your account. You can verify at Tesla.com that the car with your VIN was in fact now in your account.
8. Continue to the next step inside your car.
9. On the touchscreen, tap the car icon at the bottom/left corner.
10. Tap Control - Service - Factory Reset * (you may have to scroll down if your screen is set to Large Text).
11. It'll ask for your Tesla login. Enter the email and password for your Tesla account.
12. The screen will go dark for a couple of minutes. Then you'll see the "T" logo as the computer starts up and eventually you'll see the main screen.
13. Since everything was reset, you will need your Key Card (your phone key was reset) and you can begin to set everything up again. Don't forget to set up WiFi first. During the process, the screen may blink and the "T" logo might pop up like it just rebooted. "
* note: If you have downloaded (it may start as soon as you get WiFi) the newest car software version, we recommend -not- installing it. We did, bad idea. The very latest versions contain the latest revision of Tesla's Full Self Driving (Supervised) software. Since our good friend Mr. Musk really REALLY wants all of us to try FSD, and, since that Free Month of FSD is regarded as a subscription, and, if you do a Factory Reset it kills all your subscriptions ... the Factory Reset option is greyed-out on the Service menu. We don't know for sure that these topics are linked as presented here, but let's say there's a strong suspicion based on comments by Tesla Support.
This 'greyed out' thing makes it somewhat difficult to complete the process as written.
To be fair we didn't know if the '*note' part was going to be a problem. It is a almost certainly a problem for cars gotten directly from Hertz and still running their software. Some of those have Factory Reset unavailable as well, which you would expect for a rental vehicle. But it's not clear that we're on that version. We're still waiting for Tesla support, day 7 and holding...
No problem though, the key card works (just the one, don't lose it!) and we bought an official Tesla J1772 charging adapter so we can plug it in at home. Who needs Supercharging anyway?
...Except the adapter doesn't work. Plug it in and the screen says "Communications Error" Oops. Just Lucky. It doesn't seem to like the EVSE (charging cord) we've been using since 2012.
We know EV people, so managing to borrow a different EVSE (the charging cord thingy) was no great trick, and it works! ...on the side of the house where our car isn't. The 240V plug-in/receptacle we had put in years ago where the car needs to park is of course a different type than the one on our short term charging cord.
We did however note that the borrowed cord uses the same AC plug as one of the two (14-50) that comes with the Tesla Mobile Connector we have on order, so anything we can do to make the borrowed EVSE work might have future application, in a couple weeks when the Tesla Mobile thingy gets here. The downside is the previous EVSE (the one that didn't work with the car) was like 15A on a 20A 240V circuit and all the newer stuff expects at least 32A (40A circuit).
However, since Tesla allows you to set the max.charging amps on a per-location basis, we'll probably be OK. More later as we get out and TRAVEL! ya know, ... when the car is actually ours and fully charged ... some day. [Edit couple days later. Got the Tesla Mobile Connector charger, built an adapter and it works great.]
In case you're wondering, none of the ex-Hertz cars we saw came with a charging cord. MOST of the ones you get directly from Hertz seem to include the cord though, so as usual YMMV.
Update: Yay, calling Tesla again, long phone tree, bad (long) music on hold. and within ten min. of someone knowledgable picking up the phone ... we're in business! Apparently the process stalled out a week ago as the automatic email forwarding thingy (yes, that's the technical term ;-) did not recognize that we had included the document attachments they were waiting for, and then sat on it for a week. Until someone looked at the whole process and said "Hey, that's not right." Thank goodness for actual people.
Step 10 above? It turns out you don't have to reset the car -IF- it's already been done, which seems to be part of the process when Hertz is moving a car out to a dealer or auction.
Anyway, as stated it's all working now. New profile in the car (it saves ALL your settings and preferences) tied to your phone app and/or key card. We now have our phones connected, we have the spare keycards we ordered ($35 for two) pared up. The new ($250) Tesla charger works well.
We went out almost immediately on a 240 mile road trip and tested Tesla Supercharging (works!) and the CCS charging adapter we bought 'just in case' (Works! and the topic for a future post, also, EVGO still sucks.)
On a cold rainy blowy day, starting from 100% charge at home we could have gone the whole 240 mostly highway miles without stopping to charge if we'd done all of it at 65 mph, but part of the point was to test on-the-road charging. We haven't found anything on the car that doesn't work properly except the power trunk lid that we already knew about.
There will be future posts about the various charging adapters, other accessories we got camping options and swapping out the inefficient 'sport' wheels and grossly inefficient non-EV tires that Hertz put on it.
We do want to offer kudos, good job! to Erica Timm and the Oregon DEQ Charge Ahead Rebate team. They were pretty quick with feedback about navigating the process.
Keep in mind that the Oregon rebate ($2500 for new vehicles plus up to $5000 on new or used vehicles if you meet a low-moderate income test) only runs through the beginning of June.
Up at the top of this post there are links to everything else we did/needed for the car.
First post on the actual 6500 mi. road trip is here.